19th Century Sub found in the Pacific

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19th Century Sub found in the Pacific

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For the past 137 years, a mysterious wreck has emerged at low tide each day on a beach off the coast of Panama. Researchers now know that it's the presumed lost "Sub Marine Explorer," one of the world's first submarines and a vessel that would ultimately kill its German inventor.
Makes you wonder what these ppl have been thinking of for the past 137 years lol. Gee that wreck wasnt there yesterday lol.

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agreed that is a pretty large wreck to just ignore for over a hundred years it doesnt mention if they found anything inside it though
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Wow, that's very interesting
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According to the Times:

A BRITISH explorer has found an early submarine that he believes was the inspiration for Nautilus, Captain Nemo?s vessel in Jules Verne?s novel Twenty Thousand Leagues Under The Sea.

Colonel John Blashford-Snell discovered the half-submerged, cast-iron wreck off the coast of Panama while searching for ancient ruins.

She was built in 1864 by a visionary craftsman, Julius Kroehl, for the Union forces during the American Civil War. But the boat, called Explorer, was never used in the conflict and was subsequently taken to Panama where she was used to harvest pearls.

She was ideal for this purpose because of a unique lock-out system, identical to the one in the Nautilus from Verne?s book, published in 1870. The lock-out system is a reversible air-lock that enables submariners to leave the vessel, harvest pearls from the sea-bed, then return to the submarine. Like Explorer, Nautilus was also used to gather items from the seabed.

Colonel Blashford-Snell, who runs the Dorset-based Scientific Exploration Society, said: ?I had been told about the sub 20 years ago and it was described as a Japanese mini-sub. I was then told that in fact it was just a boiler, so I didn?t worry about it. Then recently I was on an exploration in the area looking for ancient ruins and forts. I was contacted by a maritime museum in Canada who knew we were in the area and asked if we could examine the vessel.?

When Colonel Blashford-Snell and his team dived to examine the wreck they discovered that it was much older than previously thought.

He explained: ?It was quite an experience because we had an expert with us who said it was much earlier than we had thought and in fact dated from the American Civil War. It had a conning tower and I felt as if Captain Nemo should be in it at the controls.?

The submarine, which measures 36ft by 10ft, was lying in under 10ft of water off Isla San Telmo, an island in an archipelago known as The Pearl Islands, since being abandoned after three years in the pearl industry. Her crew all died from what was described then as a ?fever?, but what was more likely to have been the bends after they regularly submerged to about 100ft to work.

Manned submarine techology was just developing when Verne was writing the novel in which Captain Nemo and his crew travel the world?s oceans.

Colonel Blashford-Snell, 67, added: ?What made it ideal for the pearl trade was its lock-out system, which meant people could get out of it, gather up pearls then return to the submarine. I realised it was identical to the system used in Nautilus. In the book it mentions that Nautilus was first spotted in 1866, just two years after the Explorer was built.

?And 1864 was significant in another way because it was the year of the first sinking of a ship, USS Housatonic, by a submersible, the hand-cranked CSS Hunley.? Wyn Davies, a maritime historian, said: ?If Jules Verne was researching the relatively new world of submersible vessels he would probably have heard of the Explorer?s lock-out system. Submarine inventors were keen to sell their products so there would have been none of today ?s secrecy and technologies would have been keenly scrutinised on both sides of the Atlantic. As far as I?m aware, the Explorer had the world?s first lock-out system and its uniqueness might have stimulated Verne?s imagination.?

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Hmmmmmmmmmm
So we have two different stories claiming that two different men found this thing. The first story has the inventer disappearing in the thing the second has it as a pearl harvester.
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Some pictures and additional info are available here:

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19th century sub

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A 19th century sub??? Really??I would have thought that after close to 150 years in the salt air and water that any ferrous hulk would be FAR more deteriorated than that! I mean... just look at some of the documented WW2 wrecks that are close to the same degree of oxidation and... it does give one pause. Regards, jose50

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